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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.enemies.com/illustrated-gnostic-myths/genesis-demiurge/the-demiurge-and-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-5605</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 19:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello.

I&#039;m confused. Are Eco-systems things that take more energy than they produce? 
Don&#039;t we have those big glass jars filled with worms and plants and earth that keep on living?
Isn&#039;t the Eco-System and the circle of life a great example of something everlasting, constantly spinning around?

Please contact me at boris dot o dot matic at gmailc dot com if you can answer this question or just want to chat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m confused. Are Eco-systems things that take more energy than they produce?<br />
Don&#8217;t we have those big glass jars filled with worms and plants and earth that keep on living?<br />
Isn&#8217;t the Eco-System and the circle of life a great example of something everlasting, constantly spinning around?</p>
<p>Please contact me at boris dot o dot matic at gmailc dot com if you can answer this question or just want to chat.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon...no seriously. THE Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon...no seriously. THE Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys, its me. I told you I&#039;d be back.

What&#039;s up? I mean if anyone cares I can help /shed some light/ on these matters. Or not. Up to you I suppose.

First I&#039;ll take to you, Scott. I&#039;d love to have a face-to-face talk with you also, because I think it would be intelligent and I do so cherish intelligent discourse.

The Architect (My preferred translation of &quot;Demiurge&quot;) is a part of the &quot;master plan&quot;, so to speak, because nothing exists out of the &quot;Supreme God&quot;, or as I like to say &quot;Aion&quot; (Eternity), more personally &quot;Father&quot;, or just simply God. Nothing The Architect does is without the influence of God, however this doesn&#039;t bother The Architect very much because he&#039;s ignorant of God&#039;s influence upon him anyway (Although I personally believe this has to have changed after such a long stretch of time). Why does God allow anything? I don&#039;t think its worth bothering with - the immediate challenge is &quot;why are we here on Earth?&quot;.

So far, I&#039;ve learned that we&#039;re here by choice. Somewhere along the line we believed or knew that living this existence is of value. I believe it is of value because of what I can do for others with my presence and with what I can teach, what I can learn from the experiences I have here, and because there are a few things that I still want to do. After attaining the Gnostic &quot;basics&quot;, you can keep coming back. If you&#039;ve learned anything at all, for a good number of times you will, or maybe if it makes you happy you&#039;ll do it forever.

You&#039;ll get it. We&#039;ll all get it - its inevitable. The question is do you want it sooner rather than later? Is it even necessary for you to get there sooner?

This place allows us to learn in ways we probably couldn&#039;t otherwise. Furthermore, simulacrum though it may be, this world is still the work of a craftsman - it is a work of art. Is not a painting or a sculpture beautiful? Are not these things /technically/ inferior to what it is they are trying to represent?

Many of the &quot;Gnostic&quot; writings can also be taken as examples of Hellenic storytelling, for the writing styles are steeped in that culture. These are not just &quot;higher&quot; truths, they also tell stories about ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, its me. I told you I&#8217;d be back.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s up? I mean if anyone cares I can help /shed some light/ on these matters. Or not. Up to you I suppose.</p>
<p>First I&#8217;ll take to you, Scott. I&#8217;d love to have a face-to-face talk with you also, because I think it would be intelligent and I do so cherish intelligent discourse.</p>
<p>The Architect (My preferred translation of &#8220;Demiurge&#8221;) is a part of the &#8220;master plan&#8221;, so to speak, because nothing exists out of the &#8220;Supreme God&#8221;, or as I like to say &#8220;Aion&#8221; (Eternity), more personally &#8220;Father&#8221;, or just simply God. Nothing The Architect does is without the influence of God, however this doesn&#8217;t bother The Architect very much because he&#8217;s ignorant of God&#8217;s influence upon him anyway (Although I personally believe this has to have changed after such a long stretch of time). Why does God allow anything? I don&#8217;t think its worth bothering with &#8211; the immediate challenge is &#8220;why are we here on Earth?&#8221;.</p>
<p>So far, I&#8217;ve learned that we&#8217;re here by choice. Somewhere along the line we believed or knew that living this existence is of value. I believe it is of value because of what I can do for others with my presence and with what I can teach, what I can learn from the experiences I have here, and because there are a few things that I still want to do. After attaining the Gnostic &#8220;basics&#8221;, you can keep coming back. If you&#8217;ve learned anything at all, for a good number of times you will, or maybe if it makes you happy you&#8217;ll do it forever.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll get it. We&#8217;ll all get it &#8211; its inevitable. The question is do you want it sooner rather than later? Is it even necessary for you to get there sooner?</p>
<p>This place allows us to learn in ways we probably couldn&#8217;t otherwise. Furthermore, simulacrum though it may be, this world is still the work of a craftsman &#8211; it is a work of art. Is not a painting or a sculpture beautiful? Are not these things /technically/ inferior to what it is they are trying to represent?</p>
<p>Many of the &#8220;Gnostic&#8221; writings can also be taken as examples of Hellenic storytelling, for the writing styles are steeped in that culture. These are not just &#8220;higher&#8221; truths, they also tell stories about ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.enemies.com/illustrated-gnostic-myths/genesis-demiurge/the-demiurge-and-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also wanted to comment on the first paragraph, man I&#039;d love to have a face to face talk with some of you guys, but this will have to do. You said that the biblical creator God&#039;s greatest flaw was his ignorance, specifically the ignorance of His origin. You are admitting that He really did say what the Bible says that He said. My question is that why is it that your &quot;Supreme God&quot; intentionally created an ignorant &quot;demi-god.&quot; I look forward to conversing with you.

http://enjoyinggodfellowship.wordpress.com

Psalm 16:11</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also wanted to comment on the first paragraph, man I&#8217;d love to have a face to face talk with some of you guys, but this will have to do. You said that the biblical creator God&#8217;s greatest flaw was his ignorance, specifically the ignorance of His origin. You are admitting that He really did say what the Bible says that He said. My question is that why is it that your &#8220;Supreme God&#8221; intentionally created an ignorant &#8220;demi-god.&#8221; I look forward to conversing with you.</p>
<p><a href="http://enjoyinggodfellowship.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://enjoyinggodfellowship.wordpress.com</a></p>
<p>Psalm 16:11</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max wrote:

&quot;The first God exists outside of space and time and is the product of itself.&quot;

Even God can&#039;t create Himself. Is that what you are saying? What is your authority of this &quot;knowledge&quot;? Inquiring minds want to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;The first God exists outside of space and time and is the product of itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even God can&#8217;t create Himself. Is that what you are saying? What is your authority of this &#8220;knowledge&#8221;? Inquiring minds want to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Kriztyke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kriztyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 19:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an old gnostic and occultist of the serpent,  I would like to share what I&#039;ve found out. Adonai means Lord, Elohim means G-d whom is YHWH, the highest G-d whom the serpent himself sprung from is not the Demiurge as you think he is. G-d is omnipotent in all dimensions not only four, he created us to live in harmony through spirit. G-d can&#039;t create life without giving it free will, the serpent fell from life through resisting through will. Adam/Eve followed the serpent and lost the living spirit, with it she lost the actual awareness through spirit. The order was changed that the archons and fallen got to play their role in creation as gods. Adam/Eve as fallen through these gods experience illusory reality blaming it as Demiurge on the highest living G-d. All is through Adam/Eve fallen from G-d without spirit, an gnostic on it&#039;s path might experience imprisonment. The solution in this is worse than the problem, achieve spiritual union with death whom is the serpent. Through gnosis or meditation or similar achieve spiritual awareness, this is not the spirit of the highest G-d. And the serpent continues to blame the highest G-d beyond time and space forever omnipotent for being the Demiurge when in fact the serpent is the one whom made man fall and blind her from through spirit experiencing reality in time and space and beyond. The only way to achieve spiritual union with G-d through spirit is to believe and confess Messiah Yeshua.

Isaiah 14:12-15

[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
[15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Satan is the archetype of the self-exalted being, beginning with his attempt to usurp God&#039;s throne. Nebuchadnezzar follows his example by his self-praise: &quot;Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for a royal dwelling by my mighty power and for the honor of my majesty?&quot; (Daniel 4:28-37). The man of sin, the Antichrist, will be the most self-exalted human being on earth, and this same spirit of pride will drive him (II Thessalonians 2:3-4).

Martin G. Collins Ã¢â‚¬Â¨Overcoming (Part 9): Self-Exaltation
http://bibletools.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/BS/k/27</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an old gnostic and occultist of the serpent,  I would like to share what I&#8217;ve found out. Adonai means Lord, Elohim means G-d whom is YHWH, the highest G-d whom the serpent himself sprung from is not the Demiurge as you think he is. G-d is omnipotent in all dimensions not only four, he created us to live in harmony through spirit. G-d can&#8217;t create life without giving it free will, the serpent fell from life through resisting through will. Adam/Eve followed the serpent and lost the living spirit, with it she lost the actual awareness through spirit. The order was changed that the archons and fallen got to play their role in creation as gods. Adam/Eve as fallen through these gods experience illusory reality blaming it as Demiurge on the highest living G-d. All is through Adam/Eve fallen from G-d without spirit, an gnostic on it&#8217;s path might experience imprisonment. The solution in this is worse than the problem, achieve spiritual union with death whom is the serpent. Through gnosis or meditation or similar achieve spiritual awareness, this is not the spirit of the highest G-d. And the serpent continues to blame the highest G-d beyond time and space forever omnipotent for being the Demiurge when in fact the serpent is the one whom made man fall and blind her from through spirit experiencing reality in time and space and beyond. The only way to achieve spiritual union with G-d through spirit is to believe and confess Messiah Yeshua.</p>
<p>Isaiah 14:12-15</p>
<p>[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!<br />
[13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:<br />
[14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.<br />
[15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.</p>
<p>Satan is the archetype of the self-exalted being, beginning with his attempt to usurp God&#8217;s throne. Nebuchadnezzar follows his example by his self-praise: &#8220;Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for a royal dwelling by my mighty power and for the honor of my majesty?&#8221; (Daniel 4:28-37). The man of sin, the Antichrist, will be the most self-exalted human being on earth, and this same spirit of pride will drive him (II Thessalonians 2:3-4).</p>
<p>Martin G. Collins Ã¢â‚¬Â¨Overcoming (Part 9): Self-Exaltation<br />
<a href="http://bibletools.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/BS/k/27" rel="nofollow">http://bibletools.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/BS/k/27</a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a gnostic and didnt even know it (how ironic!!!)

I&#039;m 44 years old.  For a majority of my early life (from Childhood until about 30 years old) I was involved with fundamental Christianity, and was even a preacher at one point.  But I always knew there was something wrong with it and felt separate from it... as if there was someone inside of me ensuring me at every turn that HE was the true god... it&#039;s very difficult to explain.

Later I moved more into metaphysics and have dabbled in many disciplines along these line.  It has felt to me over the last 15 years or so that I was getting closer to the &quot;truth&quot;, which in my soul I had already come to understand was nothing quite as absolute as mainstream Christian thought would have us believe.  But with each passing experience I&#039;d become more and more convinced that modern Christianity is a poison that has the exact opposite effect as it (at least ostenvively) proports to have.

At any rate I literally just read a summary of Gnosticism for the first time in my life, and to my utter astonishment not only did I agree with everyhting I read, but I already knew these things to be true on the inside of myself.  It was like reading an book I&#039;d read many times before, yet I have just now come upon it.

If anyone has shared such an expereinece please share it with me.  My e-mail is khenry@trantech.net.  More importantly I would like to get in touch with a community of nostics in my area.  Any help would be much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a gnostic and didnt even know it (how ironic!!!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 44 years old.  For a majority of my early life (from Childhood until about 30 years old) I was involved with fundamental Christianity, and was even a preacher at one point.  But I always knew there was something wrong with it and felt separate from it&#8230; as if there was someone inside of me ensuring me at every turn that HE was the true god&#8230; it&#8217;s very difficult to explain.</p>
<p>Later I moved more into metaphysics and have dabbled in many disciplines along these line.  It has felt to me over the last 15 years or so that I was getting closer to the &#8220;truth&#8221;, which in my soul I had already come to understand was nothing quite as absolute as mainstream Christian thought would have us believe.  But with each passing experience I&#8217;d become more and more convinced that modern Christianity is a poison that has the exact opposite effect as it (at least ostenvively) proports to have.</p>
<p>At any rate I literally just read a summary of Gnosticism for the first time in my life, and to my utter astonishment not only did I agree with everyhting I read, but I already knew these things to be true on the inside of myself.  It was like reading an book I&#8217;d read many times before, yet I have just now come upon it.</p>
<p>If anyone has shared such an expereinece please share it with me.  My e-mail is <a href="mailto:khenry@trantech.net">khenry@trantech.net</a>.  More importantly I would like to get in touch with a community of nostics in my area.  Any help would be much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Hefacheese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Hefacheese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great read keep up the good work man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great read keep up the good work man.</p>
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		<title>By: jethro</title>
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		<dc:creator>jethro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Philosopher Lao Tzu (by Po Chu-i)

&lt;em&gt;“Those who speak know nothing;
Those who know are silent.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

These words, as I am told,
Were spoken by Lao Tzu.
If we are to believe that Lao Ttzu
Was himself one who knew,
How comes it that he wrote a book
Of five thousand words?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Philosopher Lao Tzu (by Po Chu-i)</p>
<p><em>“Those who speak know nothing;<br />
Those who know are silent.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>These words, as I am told,<br />
Were spoken by Lao Tzu.<br />
If we are to believe that Lao Ttzu<br />
Was himself one who knew,<br />
How comes it that he wrote a book<br />
Of five thousand words?</p>
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		<title>By: prophetwoods</title>
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		<dc:creator>prophetwoods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, did yall not just see Yahdah forsee what happened in Korea scroll up the screen and on his comment....yeah but the world&#039;s not ending ye buddy, at least not now..............          (it&#039;ll end in 2100 !!!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, did yall not just see Yahdah forsee what happened in Korea scroll up the screen and on his comment&#8230;.yeah but the world&#8217;s not ending ye buddy, at least not now&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..          (it&#8217;ll end in 2100 !!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: estanislao de mediolao</title>
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		<dc:creator>estanislao de mediolao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I got to say is that you fucking rock.  You&#039;re my electronic heroe.

 ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I got to say is that you fucking rock.  You&#8217;re my electronic heroe.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.enemies.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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